tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post2215897563656722240..comments2023-09-10T08:36:21.578+01:00Comments on Maryam Namazie: The Islamic InquisitionMaryam Namaziehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16580229703737060601noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-67836277347184905612011-10-18T19:51:46.645+01:002011-10-18T19:51:46.645+01:00Maryam Namazie is an outstanding and very courageo...Maryam Namazie is an outstanding and very courageous warrior for her cause. Much respect and many congratulations to her for her voice - thankfully not too much in the wilderness now.Laura Meszarosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-6353593024809311632011-09-10T22:04:47.886+01:002011-09-10T22:04:47.886+01:00Finally, someone is brave enough to speak the trut...Finally, someone is brave enough to speak the truth and avoid the usual cliche and formulaic leftist indoctrinated view of of brown-skinned people. We are not defined by our religion....Why are ME people are defined by their religion??? Why aren' European countries or the US called Christian societies??<br /><br />In sharia the age of marriage for a girl is 9 years old. Should we even consider allowing this practice in western countries??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-74831251712134056062011-07-20T01:56:59.738+01:002011-07-20T01:56:59.738+01:00Thanks for standing up for free speech,human right...Thanks for standing up for free speech,human rights,common sense.seth_savagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16332946181240409103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-56542264198078551092011-07-20T01:56:02.576+01:002011-07-20T01:56:02.576+01:00Thanks for standing up for free speech,human right...Thanks for standing up for free speech,human rights,and common sense.seth_savagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16332946181240409103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-32572345284476612872011-07-03T03:19:11.382+01:002011-07-03T03:19:11.382+01:00@ReykjavikRules: If you cannot distinguish between...@ReykjavikRules: If you cannot distinguish between Islam and the very real threat of Islamism, you eyes are (perhaps intentionally) shut.Samizdatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-29199388067091006402011-06-25T15:58:03.357+01:002011-06-25T15:58:03.357+01:00you are looking for Him I presume.
http://www.face...you are looking for Him I presume.<br />http://www.facebook.com/mukhamed.mamdhu<br /><br />Good luck. He Has mentioned you once (complemented)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-64399451362187888612011-06-22T14:26:05.466+01:002011-06-22T14:26:05.466+01:00It is the human being who is sacred not beliefs or...<i>It is the human being who is sacred not beliefs or religion.</i><br /><br />I wholeheartedly agree. It's always struck me as odd even as a religiously-raised child that a person's belief was important and that the "honour" of the family was more important than the individual within it. Thank you for posting this, it's always great to read speeches and articles that are written from the Islam side of things instead of Christian. It gives me angle I can relate to more directly.Leilahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01303161563414073890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-79569782994644107122011-06-15T19:16:11.611+01:002011-06-15T19:16:11.611+01:00Whilst I usually have no interest in the dogmatic ...Whilst I usually have no interest in the dogmatic ideology of any faith based system, I can't help but notice how entirely flawed your own argument is. You seem to have employed the same vitriolic dogmatism that the religious speakers used. You appear to be lacking in tolerance and there is no logical progression to your arguments instead you spend an inordinate amount of time attacking 'Islamism' - a made up term to depersonalise what is essentially just Islam - instead of attacking religion is general. In all honesty, though it may not matter to you, I have ironically lost faith in you Maryam and shall no longer be subjecting myself to such drivel. I think I'll join a church instead.ReykjavikRulesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-48347723320028710992011-06-12T18:26:51.205+01:002011-06-12T18:26:51.205+01:00Powerful, and I can now see why Maryam received su...Powerful, and I can now see why Maryam received such rave reviews. <br /><br />Does anyone know if audio of the speech is available? I would love to listen to this. <br /><br />Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-62018748673190973162011-06-09T15:56:19.292+01:002011-06-09T15:56:19.292+01:00Apologies to any(potential) replies, am leaving th...Apologies to any(potential) replies, am leaving the country for a week and will not have internet access so this is my last post.hanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03742517848296741712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-30019948541284892192011-06-09T15:49:58.828+01:002011-06-09T15:49:58.828+01:00There is a distinction to be made between, on the ...There is a distinction to be made between, on the one hand, someone doing evil in the name of religion, ie. as a result of religious edicts, scriptural justification(for example "suffer not a witch to live") or other directly religious reasons, and on the other hand someone who happens to be religious and who does something evil. In the latter case there is absolutely no reason to believe their religion 'made' them do it. For example, let's say the pope wakes up tomorrow and beats the nearest priest unconscious with a sock full of snooker balls - no-one can make a reasonable argument that just because he's a Catholic he did it in the name of Catholicism, as a result of Catholic teachings.<br /><br />With the religious inquisitions however, a perfectly reasonable argument can be made that they resulted directly from scriptural commands.<br /><br />If you are to make the same argument about atheism it needs to be shown that the communist inquisitions followed from the perpetrators' atheism - I don't see any evidence of that. In fact it would seem screamingly obvious that the common factor in these inquisitions was, well, communism. Unless we see examples of the same kind of inquisitions amongst atheistic yet NON-communist countries/communities the claim that there is significance in the original correlation between communist inquisitions and atheism is rendered meaningless. Even if we were to find examples of such specifically atheistic inquisitions in abundance there would still have to be a way of demonstrating that their atheism compelled the people involved to act in such a way.<br /><br />The link can be made between a person reading scriptural directives and a person fulfilling those directives. The result is very often horrific. The same link existed/exists in communism. There is no such link to be found in atheism. Which is most certainly not to say that atheists cannot do awful, awful things. They plainly can. But to ascribe their actions to their inability to believe in god is as unreasonable as blaming the pope's bludgeoning of little Gino the hypothetical priest on his Catholicism.hanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03742517848296741712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-74752922729811674112011-06-09T01:53:22.008+01:002011-06-09T01:53:22.008+01:00Anonymous: LOL. I live in Seattle, and it's b...Anonymous: LOL. I live in Seattle, and it's been one of the worst winters in decades. Nice try, though.David B Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04029133398946303654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-78780475392833680642011-06-08T23:24:02.439+01:002011-06-08T23:24:02.439+01:00Brilliant talk Maryam. I particularly liked the pa...Brilliant talk Maryam. I particularly liked the part about the religious indoctrination of children. <br />@ David Marshall: you have been too long in the sun, dude.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-28846559169241594812011-06-08T19:56:24.062+01:002011-06-08T19:56:24.062+01:00Actually, if NAWL is correct (their kudos and disa...Actually, if NAWL is correct (their kudos and disappointments <a href="http://www.nawl.ca/ns/en/documents/2007ReligiousArbitArticle.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a>), the decision is more nuanced than that: religious arbitration is allowed, but it has to be conducted in accordance with provincial law and where arbitration conflicts with the Family Law act, it loses.<br /><br />So, for example, Islamic law may hold that boys 9 and up and girls 13 and up automatically go to the father, "best for the child" statutes still apply and domestic violence is a deal-breaker.<br /><br />Also, good god, David's in <i>here, too</i> with his <i>b...b...but communists</i> schtick? Hey, everybody, honk if you love authoritarian systems!Ritchie Annandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16095044509186974971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-33957413304213124882011-06-08T19:12:06.205+01:002011-06-08T19:12:06.205+01:00While I agree with much of what you have said I...While I agree with much of what you have said I'm not sure I'm with you on banning things. To be sure there are exceptions where I am on your side such as sharia courts and child veiling. However, in regards to the other proposed bans I do take more of an issue with. As we all are probably aware of, one cannot defeat an idea or belief by mere force of arms alone, something which I believe can also equate to the notion of banning certain practices. Does not "banning" a practice merely stand to create (forgive the religious reference) forbidden fruit syndrome? Would it not instead be better to allow it in the open where we can challenge it with superior ideas and indeed defeat it so as to remove the perceived desire for it through discreditation? I'd be curious as to what your responses might be to these questions. All in all though I thoroughly enjoyed your address and look forward to more of your work in the future.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634722868544908997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-37402538769089500672011-06-08T19:01:14.451+01:002011-06-08T19:01:14.451+01:00While this text is really spot on and brilliant I ...While this text is really spot on and brilliant I have a small issue with the mention of Sakineh.<br /><br />I'm not sure what source you use, but at least where I'm from her portrayal as a victim is debated and the man which put this story in the light is known to have lots of connection, and an agenda ; and even if it's not willingly he's known to have been caught multiple time on blatant lies and/or errors. Not the most trustworthy source.<br /><br />Although I despise any country still using the death penalty, Iran legal system does not follow the sharia and does not use stoning for quite a few years if I'm not mistaken, and as far as I know she stand accused for plotting the murder of her husband.<br /><br />Mind you I might be wrong, and I certainly don't have first hand information, but on an otherwise brilliant speech this caught my attention. If you have any information I'm interested.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-51656156098648221722011-06-08T18:24:33.782+01:002011-06-08T18:24:33.782+01:00Interrobang: As far as I know, the Catholic and Je...Interrobang: As far as I know, the Catholic and Jewish systems may be around, but the important thing is that their decisions no longer carry the weight of civil law. The McGuinty decision does not ban them, nor does it ban Muslims from setting up the same non-binding systems.<br /><br />It was more complicated than Islamophobia. Muslim women's groups were foremost in the fight.<br /><br />The weirdest reactions were by Freepers, who were simultaneously disgusted by all the leftist opponents to the "Shari'a court" on the one hand, and then twirling their moustaches with glee that they would be overrun with Muslims and would "get what was coming to them" on the other hand.<br /><br />You can read Boyd's original report <a href="http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/about/pubs/boyd/fullreport.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />One of the more interesting things about Marion's report is that it places blames for some of the hype on some of the statements and misconceptions that the IICJ put out <i>itself</i>:<br /><br /><i>The idea that the IICJ legitimately held some form of coercive power which would allow it to force Muslims in Ontario to arbitrate according to Islamic personal law instead of using the traditional court route to resolve disputes was formed as a direct result of the pronouncements of the IICJ. That this declaration appears to have been taken at face value by both the Muslim community and the broader community is particularly troublesome. Further, the IICJ’s false contention that arbitration decisions are not subject to judicial oversight was propagated by a misunderstanding of the law on the part of the community, the media, and of course, the IICJ itself. Finally, the IICJ position that “good Muslims” would avail themselves exclusively of Muslim arbitration services effectively may have silenced opposition among those who consider themselves devout.</i><br /><br />She recommended that arbitration continue to be made available, and I can see the line of reasoning for it, but I wouldn't call opposition to it unilaterally unreasoning or hateful.Ritchie Annandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16095044509186974971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-11603854852683845442011-06-08T17:40:20.614+01:002011-06-08T17:40:20.614+01:00David Marshall,
Atheism doesn't = hatred of r...David Marshall,<br /><br />Atheism doesn't = hatred of religion. Atheism is traditionally defined as a lack of belief in gods, supported by rational thought. Can you point to a popular atheist writer and show us where he/she says "Thou shalt go forth and eradicate all religious people from the earth"? <br /><br />There is no evidence that this alleged "rabid atheism" even if it did exist was the cause of the genocide. You're making assumptions about an historical event. <br /><br />Beyond repeated assertion you've failed to give any evidence that atheist thought or philosophy was in any way responsible for the crimes of the greatest inquisition in human history...whatever that means. You don't appear to be well-informed on the issue.gilltnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-40879566143462624412011-06-08T15:20:06.581+01:002011-06-08T15:20:06.581+01:00DT: Yes, I think that's what he may have been ...DT: Yes, I think that's what he may have been trying to say. It's not a viable argument, though. First, the communists were in fact rabid atheists, who hated religion. Second, their motivation clearly was in large part that hatred. Third, you can probably also find political or economic motives for the Christian Inquisitors, too. Read the main account of the Goa Inquisition, for example, and the victim asks, "Why is it that the Inquisitors always go after people with lots of money?" Yeah, and then confiscated that money. The fact that people always have mixed motives for crimes, is no excuse.David B Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04029133398946303654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-52011237048556075932011-06-08T15:11:57.500+01:002011-06-08T15:11:57.500+01:00Gill: I have no idea what you're on about. Na...Gill: I have no idea what you're on about. Namazie says "religion kills," because some Christian fanatics 800 years ago murdered 3000 innocent people in cruel ways. She goes on and on about that cruelty, without once mentioning the little fact that a mere two generations ago, atheist fanatics, belonging to her own political set, killed TENS OF MILLIONS of people in cruel ways. <br /><br />This strikes me not only as hypocrisy of the grossest kind, but displaying a remarkable lack of historical perspective. If you intend to defend her argument, you're going to have to do better than just juggling the words "atheist" and "communist" and "totalitarian" around at random, as you have done so far. These are peoples' lives, we're talking about: I've met some of the victims of those inquisitions.David B Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04029133398946303654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-73495736392168546042011-06-08T09:54:26.929+01:002011-06-08T09:54:26.929+01:00Thank you Maryam. It's people like you who giv...Thank you Maryam. It's people like you who give me hope for the world. I wish you luck in abolishing religious schools, I too would like to see the end of them.Tonynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-7984896042683903882011-06-08T06:17:24.895+01:002011-06-08T06:17:24.895+01:00@David B. Marshall. You seem to be implying that ...@David B. Marshall. You seem to be implying that those inquisitions conducted by atheistic communists were done so because they were atheists. I think what Gillt means is that you need to prove that to be the case rather than the more likely case that those pogroms, unlike the religious inquisitions, were perpetrated to further the political agenda of communism, not the religious point of view of atheism.DTdNavnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-65712357883117286682011-06-08T06:09:02.847+01:002011-06-08T06:09:02.847+01:00Nice piece. Thought provoking, if not without some...Nice piece. Thought provoking, if not without some grey areas. I am not an atheist; I am more of an animist -- worship trees, animals, air, river, hills... and yes, my parents too. Find all mainstream religions funny and good business models (religion needs no investment, money keeps flowing in from various sources) with their Amway-like way of expanding base through downlines. You might like to go through this as an argument about god..... http://rahconteur.wordpress.com/2010/09/28/god-is-a-mosquito/Rahul Karamkarhttp://rahconteur.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-40577720180694682022011-06-08T01:31:22.843+01:002011-06-08T01:31:22.843+01:00Excellent article. You might want to correct PZ...Excellent article. You might want to correct PZ's name at the top.Another Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16036729550338846976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-62320047551834169252011-06-08T00:39:23.661+01:002011-06-08T00:39:23.661+01:00very kewl Maryam :-)
Mattvery kewl Maryam :-)<br /><br />Mattmatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11637730030908662942noreply@blogger.com