tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post116424099886848897..comments2023-09-10T08:36:21.578+01:00Comments on Maryam Namazie: ‘Beyond the Veil: Perspectives on Muslim Women in a Western Secular Context’Maryam Namaziehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16580229703737060601noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-59194657141742872022010-03-17T21:43:48.852+00:002010-03-17T21:43:48.852+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-33143657105521578202008-10-15T17:04:00.000+01:002008-10-15T17:04:00.000+01:00THANK YOU MY BROTHER AMEER THAT'S WHAT SHOULD BE S...THANK YOU MY BROTHER AMEER THAT'S WHAT SHOULD BE SAID TO SUCH COMMENTS .YOU HAVE NOTHONG RIGHT TO SAY MDME WHEN YOU HAVE EVERYTHING ABOUT ISLAM WRONG AND YOU SHOULD SURCH ABOUT IT MORE .WHAT A SHAME I THANK YOU AGAIN MY BROTHERAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-1164489054979422682006-11-25T21:10:00.000+00:002006-11-25T21:10:00.000+00:00A number of wild unsubstantiated statements here, ...A number of wild unsubstantiated statements here, typical of a narrow feminist mentality that equates the command for a modest display of the body, for the benefit of both women and men, to oppression:("The veil is a symbol like no other of what it means to be a woman under Islam - hidden from view, bound, and gagged. It is a tool for restricting and suppressing women.")<BR/>and "The statement goes so far as to ‘advise all Muslims to exercise extreme caution in this issue since denying any part of Islam may lead to disbelief.’<BR/>And you know what they do disbelievers when they can – kill them.”<BR/>An unashamedly distortion of what the Qur'an says and means in order to demonize Islam and dismiss a statement that is simply a religious advice meant to discourage unwanted attention. <BR/>Also:<BR/>"As I have said before, take away all the pressure and intimidation and threats and you will see how many remain veiled."<BR/>Those who cover for such reasons or even only to obey their husbands do not gain the blessing of obedience to Allah. She makes no mention of the freedom women, under pressure of arbitrary standards of men, fashion designers and a coerced sexual identity that objectifies them have to unveil and accentuate their breasts and buttocks.<BR/>Women are pressured to have breast implants in order to be sexually attractive and to confirm her identity as a woman in proportion to her cup size<BR/>The statement,” In my opinion, you can either defend women or you must defend Islam. You can’t defend both because they are incompatible with and antithetical to each other," indicates that she places women's rights as absolute above her obligations in relation to her Creator, her moral and social duties as a human being, as a wife and her primary role in society. This is not to say that she should not be able to realize her full potential for spiritual and intellectual development that can contribute to her own development and that of society.<BR/>Orthodox or conservative religious values that stress women's role as a wife and mother are condemned as counter to her identity as a human being and puts equality of men and women in an absolute form that does not consider the balance between mutual rights and responsibilities.<BR/>She quotes,” Wives are a 'tilth' for men, which they can go into their 'tilth' when they like (The Cow, 2.223) and on and on." She does not regarding the sexual relationship quote. (Surah 2 v. 187),"They are as a garment for you and you are as a garment for them.” Marriage in the Qur'an is established for love and mercy.<BR/>The feminist or atheist can choose to be a fornicator, adulteress or lesbian and not have children or abort them for her sole benefit without regard to the consequences. <BR/>Both men and women are punished equally for any violation of Quran'ic injunctions.<BR/>Many men have abused or not properly carried out the authority and consequent responsibility given to them in the Qur'an and will pay the price for this neglect. <BR/>Islam seeks stability and harmony in society and believing women accept the genuine restrictions as they are not just looking for a limited pleasure in this world but the far greater happiness in the next. This may just be "pie in the sky" for this atheist but it is a reality for believers.<BR/>Her ideas and speeches may find favor with those who believe that western, secular values are superior to what they regard as outdated, paternalistic or religiously based views. <BR/>Today the intolerance of some religious people has been outdone by the intolerance of the irreligious or secular fetishists.<BR/><BR/>Ameer Raschid<BR/>Bodrum,Turkeyameerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02258653985562481815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-1164488383142770092006-11-25T20:59:00.000+00:002006-11-25T20:59:00.000+00:00Muslim students angry at headscarf remarksFrom cor...Muslim students angry at headscarf remarksFrom correspondents in Alexandria, Egypt<BR/><BR/>November 26, 2006 02:31am<BR/>Article from: Agence France-PresseFont size: + -<BR/>Send this article: Print Email <BR/>HUNDREDS of female students in headscarves demonstrated in the Egyptian city of Alexandria today to demand the dismissal of Culture Minister Farouk Hosni for his comments on headscarves.<BR/><BR/>Mr Hosni, an abstract painter known for his liberal views, said in an interview this month he saw the Islamic headscarf worn by most Egyptian women as retrogressive and unattractive.<BR/><BR/>The Muslim Brotherhood and other political groups have been calling for his resignation since his remarks were first published nine days ago.<BR/><BR/>At the demonstration in Alexandria, the latest of several across the country, the women said in a statement Hosni's remarks went beyond freedom of expression and amounted to insulting Islam and calling for libertinism.<BR/>Muslim men and women today and in the time of the Prophed dressed the same. The head including the hair, the arms and legs were and are covered. The Qur'anic verse only specified that for women at that time whose bosom was uncovered i.e showing skin or perhaps the shape as well, that they draw their veils (the covering on their heads that they let loose down thir backs) over their bosom.<BR/>It has nothing to do with subjection,degradation, humiliation or other nonsenical accusation but only for the sake of modesty and to lessen the sexual arousal potential of breasts to men. Women who have small breasts and who are teased for being flat chested are forced to get breast implants as well as those who are so<BR/>insecure in their identity have to increase their size to the maximum possible. <BR/>the shah in his autobiography mentions that his father wanted to ban the burqa (or perhaps did) but he felt that it was an advantage for the poorer classes who could not afford to dress as well as the rich, to be able to circulate in society wthout embarrassment or shame.<BR/>The Qur'an also advises women to wear an outer garment over the dress that they wear at home to identify themselves as women who are not out to attract the attention of men so as not to be annoyed by men who mistake them for women who are.<BR/>Nuns dress in the manner of what women were wearing in the Middle Ages as the standard of modesty and are respected for their dedication and commitment to remaining unmarried. Islam encourages marriage and wishes to avoid unrestricted mingling of the sexes where there are many opportunities for fornication and adultery which are punishable crimes. Today, we see teenage pregnancies rising as well as abortions.Adultery is no longer considered a crime let alone a sin and is the cause of marital discord and breakup with an increasing number of women initiating such relationships. The spread of HIV/AIDS is due to men, fornicating, comitting adultery and spreading it to their wives who give it to their children. It is equivalent to murder and should be dealt with dimilarly. Capital punishmet is still accepted in many states in the US and each state or country should have the freedom to choose how it deas with murder. Islam allows the payment of blood mony if the relatives consent. Capital punishment also prevents blood feuds that cause the murder of innocent relatives.<BR/>It seems there are very little restrictions of how little a woman can wear or how much decolleté she can reveal or when she sits how much of her thigh she can expose but the focus is only on those women who dress acording to the standards of their faith and ae independent of the latest trends forced upon them by the fashion industry.<BR/>Forbidding girls from wearing hijab or a headscarf to school and for women to work in educational and government jobs results in the same as what the Taliban did.<BR/>One in the name of a narow view of secularism (as in Tunisia,Turkey and some European countries but not present in the US, my home country.<BR/> <BR/><BR/>Ameer Raschid<BR/>Bodrum,Turkey<BR/>ameer_r2@yahoo.comameerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02258653985562481815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-1164407982518654762006-11-24T22:39:00.000+00:002006-11-24T22:39:00.000+00:00Hadi - Perhaps you might like to point out where y...Hadi - Perhaps you might like to point out where you believe I got it wrong. I agreed with Maryam's assessemnt however, I suggested that I more historical perspective might offer a fuller picture. In the end, as a progressive movement it appears to have failed in its missionDahliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05364216407000101165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-1164389423839146002006-11-24T17:30:00.000+00:002006-11-24T17:30:00.000+00:00Maryam is right.Dahlia is wrong.Religion is the op...Maryam is right.<BR/>Dahlia is wrong.<BR/>Religion is the opium of the people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-1164309559303984842006-11-23T19:19:00.000+00:002006-11-23T19:19:00.000+00:00I first read this post at Renegade Eye and thank h...I first read this post at Renegade Eye and thank him for bringing your great work to my attention!<BR/><BR/>Maryam - I find your argument very moving. Yet, I must suggest that you take a moment to analyze in a more holistic sense and with a greater historical genealogy. I am not arguing with you about the role of women in Islam because I agree that it provides ample ammunition. However, I suggest that you also take a look at the genealogy of Islam. It arose in a part of the world where women were lower than cattle and where men had scores of harem in their tents – a situation which was not much unlike what was also the reality in Europe at the time. Islam was an attempt to move society along an upward trajectory or continuum closer to a societal embrace of equity. Islam in its essence was fashioned as a progressive movement. Somewhere along the line it lost its progressiveness perhaps when it started coming up against more deeply engrained male chauvinism in the Arab region, but more likely as a function of a struggle over domination over economic resources and political power. <BR/>I also suggest that a closer look be given to the role of men in Islamic theology, as opposed to tradition. We can point to the fact that inheritance, for example, under Islamic law gives the female half that of the male. On the other hand, we should also look at what that buys both the woman and the cost of it to the man. Ac to theology, the male is responsible for every woman in his life (unmarried sister, orphaned niece, widowed mother, etc.) and must provide for all her material and emotional needs. In other words, he must ensure that she wants for naught, including emotional happiness. That is a high bar. It is also a formula for the continuation of a paternalistic society in which the male is the provider and the female is the child-like receiver. However, because it is such a heavy burden, Islamic tradition has failed to live up to the theological demand. At the same time, the theological demands of Islam have succeeded in migrating over to tradition probably because women were never able to secure position of strength in society to oppose it. The result is the complete and utter injustice females face.<BR/>In short, as a social movement, Islam was highly progressive. Unfortunately, it seems to be failing in its inception mission.Dahliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05364216407000101165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-1164282018893896672006-11-23T11:40:00.000+00:002006-11-23T11:40:00.000+00:00Brilliant.Brilliant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-1164251880252342522006-11-23T03:18:00.000+00:002006-11-23T03:18:00.000+00:00I'll put this on my blog. Really good post.I'll put this on my blog. Really good post.Frank Partisanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03536211653082893030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21351773.post-1164251731549052112006-11-23T03:15:00.000+00:002006-11-23T03:15:00.000+00:00EXCELLENT SPEECH!!!!!!!!KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK.......EXCELLENT SPEECH!!!!!!!!<BR/>KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK....WOMEN WILL<BR/>LOVE AND APPRECIATE YOU!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com